This episode is sponsored by, Circle and Kraken.

Today’s guest is Muneeb Ali, CEO of Trust Machines and founder of Stacks.

Find our guest on Twitter: @muneeb

“The Breakdown” is written, produced by and features Nathaniel Whittemore aka NLW, with editing by Rob Mitchell and research by Scott Hill. Jared Schwartz is our executive producer and our holiday theme music is "Spike The Eggnog" by Two Dudes. Music behind our sponsors today is “Back To The End” by Strength To Last. Image credit: Namthip Muanthongthae/Getty Images, modified by CoinDesk. Join the discussion at