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Lightning Network Messaging, Political Expediency and What Crisis Has Revealed

In a time of increasing censorship aimed towards protecting us, is truly private messaging possible? Why are we using "data driven" approaches when we know the data is wrong? Juggernaut's John Cantrell and HRF's Alex Gladstein help us see what the crisis has revealed.

Apr 26, 2020 at 2:15 p.m. UTC
Updated Sep 14, 2021 at 8:33 a.m. UTC

In a time of increasing censorship aimed towards protecting us, is truly private messaging possible? Why are we using "data-driven" approaches when we know the data is wrong? Lightning Network messaging protocol Juggernaut's John Cantrell and HRF's Alex Gladstein help us see what the crisis has revealed.

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On today's show, we've got a pair of interviews for you. First, we speak with John Cantrell, the author of Juggernaut, a new Layer 3 messaging application being built on top of the Layer 2 Lightning Network, which is itself built on top of Layer 1 Bitcoin. It's a lot of layers, but as a technological concept currently in beta Juggernaut could be a fascinating project, and we talk about it. (Juggernaut on GitHub.)

After the break, we're joined again by Alex Gladstein of HRF.org for a discussion on political expediency in the age of pandemic and what crisis has revealed about various governments, and different types of governments around the world. Alex is one of my favorite returning guests, with his global human rights-focused work taking him to some of the most interesting and most oppressed places around the world.

"What's interesting is that citizen journalists I know in Taiwan have pressed the government on this and they've gone to parliament and it's all on record, and they've said, 'Have these ... digital contact tracing or cell phone surveillance things been useful?' And the governments said, 'Only in one case. ... Only in one case was this sort of mass surveillance approach been useful.' So they've actually been honest with the people. ... But at the end of the day, it does teach us that even the most progressive governments are going to be lured by the sirens' call of using surveillance to tackle problems." – Alex Gladstein, chief strategy officer, HRF.org

This episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin is sponsored by eToro.com and features content from John Cantrell, Alex Gladstein and Adam B. Levine. Today's show features music by Jared Rubens and Gurty Beats with editing by Jonas. Album Art original photo by Goh Rhy Yan on Unsplash.

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